1 Timothy 2:11-12

As I work through each chapter of the Bible in chronological order, I’ve decided to mix up my blog with a specific Bible verse now and then.  I started last week with my favorite Bible verse, Ezekiel 23:20.  Today I want to focus on 1 Timothy 2:11-12.  Before stating the verse, I want to point out that this verse is in the New Testament, after the arrival of Jesus.  Therefore, it can’t be dismissed by saying Jesus arrived to wipe clean the slate of old (Testament) laws as many Christians are fond of doing.

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.  I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” – 1 Timothy 2:11-12

Misogyny rules in the New Testament too!  It doesn’t get worse than this.  This letter from Paul directly tells us that women are to sit down and shut up.  Learning and teaching are for men and men only.  If a man wishes to teach a woman, he may, but the woman is not allowed to ask or learn on her own.

To be clear, these are not the words of Jesus, but the words of Paul.  However, Paul supposedly directly heard and was spoken to by Jesus.  Paul is living his life exactly as Jesus wants him to.  From the rest of the New Testament verses, we are to take this as the direct word of Jesus through Paul.

Again, I wish more people would read the Bible and see the nonsense such as this that it contains.  How a female, and any male who cares about the equal rights of women, can read this and still believe is beyond me.

9 thoughts on “1 Timothy 2:11-12

    1. Read the verses again. It states “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.” The definition of submission:

      “The action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.”

      A woman may learn in quietness, but only in full submission to her husband, meaning her husband must approve of any learning she attempts.

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      1. Errr, no. that does not follow (where is husband mentioned?). Also, as you would know, the context of 1 Tim 2 is in public gatherings isn’t it?

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      2. Errr, yes. You can use apologetic arguments all you want, but 1 Tim 2 clearly states women can only learn with full submission. There are many, many verses in the New Testament stating women must submit to their husbands. You know that. To assume that in this verse when women are told to submit, it is not to their husbands is ignorant of New Testament misogyny. This isn’t limited to the New Testament. As early as Genesis 3:16, women are told that their husbands rule over them. If it helps you sleep at night to ignore the submission part of 1 Tim 2, go right ahead, it doesn’t change the reality of the Bible.

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      3. More to discuss, but I suppose you also suppose that ballroom dancing is also misogynistic, requiring the man to lead and the woman to submit?

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  1. Well, that finished quickly!! You’re probably right, it will be pointless discussing. I only asked a couple of questions (which weren’t actually answered) and it isn’t clear how my analogy with ballroom dancing is a ‘straw man’? (that was just brushed aside) I think it demonstrates a really important point – i.e. that submission is not always a bad thing!

    I thought that it was the atheists who were the open minded ones willing to question everything? May I gently suggest you change the name of the blog to ‘Dogmatically “thinking” through the Bible.

    Thanks and hope you have a great day.

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    1. A straw man argument is a “logic fallacy involving the purposeful misrepresentation of an argument in order to strike it down.” You implied that I must be against ballroom dancing as a method of striking down my argument in the original post. That is a straw man argument and you know it. I will agree with you that submission is not always a bad thing. Ballroom dancing being a great example of that. However, to argue that women submitting in ball room dancing is the same as women submitting to their husbands (or whoever you wish them to submit to) in their acquisition of knowledge is a straw man argument. If you really think that those two are one in the same then I encourage you to open your mind. You might be surprised at what you find.

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