Job – Chapter 41: More From God

After a long delay with no word from God, we finally hear from Him starting in Job Chapter 39.  God spoke in Chapter 39 and 40, but had no explanation for his actions against Job.  Instead, God rails against Job for having the nerve to ask questions.  God argues that no one is God but God Himself and therefore Job should obey and remain quiet.  Okay, but that doesn’t justify the killing of Job’s children.  Let’s find out what God has to say in Chapter 41.

“Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope?” – Job 41:1

The Bible makes it clear the Loch Ness Monster is real!!!  LOL!  Okay, maybe not.  This verse is supposed to show that man can’t take down large animals, only God can.  However, it didn’t take man long to hunt down whale and elephant, so I’d have to answer God’s initial questions in this chapter with a resounding yes.

“Will he keep begging for mercy?  Will he speak to you in gentle with words?” – Job 41:3

Uh…no.  It’s an animal and animals can’t speak in the tongue of humans despite what many Christians believe about a talking donkey in the New Testament.

“Will traders barter for him?  Will they divide him up among the merchants?” – Job 41:6

Yes, that is exactly what happens today and happened centuries ago with large animals on Earth.  They were hunted down and divided up among merchants.  What sort of nonsense is God speaking here?

“Who then is able to stand against me?” – Job 41:10

If God is describing Himself as the mightiest sea creature, then man can easily stand up to God.  We stand up to mighty animals today and have in the past with minimal difficulties.  Sure, there were/are humans killed now and then hunting mighty animals, but the animals are always the ones to lose the fight.  God isn’t exactly describing Himself as the mightiest of all in this chapter.  God continues describing Himself against a mighty animal.  With each successive verse the response remains “So what?!?!?”  Calling yourself mighty doesn’t justify the horrible actions you committed against Job and his innocent children.

God goes on for several more verses, but has nothing different to add to the conversation.  Even my study Bible has little to say on this chapter compared to the vast amount it has to say on other chapters.  Basically this chapter boils down to God ranting about how great and mighty He is while missing the entire point of Job’s questions.  Not only is this God NOT mighty, He’s also a bit dim witted.

Coming Soon:  Job – Chapter 42:  Conclusion

12 thoughts on “Job – Chapter 41: More From God

  1. I’ve heard people say without God morality becomes “might makes right.” Seems like that is what the God character is promoting here.

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  2. To me the answer to Job was is in God’s might, as we read Job himself didn’t press the question more, either because he was too afraid or he did actually understand God is infinite and does whatever He wants. The examples He gives describing His might are speaking to Job and the things Job knew so he could relate as much as humanly possible to God’s power. If Job was alive today I imagine He’d say something like “Can you announce all the digits of pi?” or, “Can you reach into a blackhole and pull out a living creature from it? Imagining something could live in it, powerful enough to thrive under what crushes stars, could you then tame it? Not just overpower it, but make its heart cry out to you?” It’s impossible for us to imagine the infinite power of God, but even these little tastes overwhelm us.

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    1. But the “infinite power of God” as you describe it becomes less and less infinite each year. You are using the “God of the gaps” argument to prove that God is powerful. Understanding thunder and lightning, for example, was once an unknown, and explained as the power of God. Today we clearly know the cause and effect of thunder and lightning. Today the gap in knowledge is much smaller. Sure, we don’t know what happens inside a black hole, but a tremendous amount of research goes into this every day. One day we will have that answer, and another gap in knowledge will close.

      There will always be questions, but only because we answer questions and come up with more detailed questions. Job had no clue about black holes, but with science closing the gaps and looking at the finer details, we now know about black holes. Once day we’ll have those answers, but new, more detailed questions will pop up.

      Simply not knowing something or not fully understanding something is NOT evidence of a God.

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      1. And sorry I misread your reply above. The examples of infinite power God gave to Job could be performed by some future human, but let’s not forget He’s saying these things to Job himself, who would see these things as overwhelmingly impossible, just as my examples would be to anyone alive today. The God of the gaps to me is the great gap that will always be between what’s possible for man and what’s possible for God. As long as we’re human (always) there will be impossible things for us, but with God all things are possible.

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      2. I understand what you’re saying. Certainly Job knew less than humans today and it’s important to consider that. To me, however, that adds more evidence to the non-existence of God. (Note: I won’t say that God definitely doesn’t exist. I can only use evidence to say that it is unlikely God doesn’t exist.) If God gives examples of infinite power to Job, but humans today can perform those example, then those examples of God were not of infinite power. From a biblical stance, a man cannot, nor ever have the infinite power of God. As time goes by, the goalposts of infinite power are further pushed back.

        I disagree with you that certain things will always be impossible for us. In Job’s time, the concept of a cell phone was impossible. It’s impossible for me to conceive of and/or understand what humans understand hundreds/thousands of years from now. The gap is constantly shrinking and that’s a problem for the belief in a God. The gap will continue to close and there’s no evidence that we won’t find answers to questions that seem unanswerable today.

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  3. Well yea, everyday we compute more digits of pi, and one day we could understand black holes inside-out (maybe). But Job isn’t wondering whether or not God exists, he’s wondering whether or not God is good, as he did nothing to deserve all the evil that came on his life.

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      1. Ah! you’re right about the god of the gaps, but I wasn’t clear before. A god who gets pushed farther back into the dark corners of the room as more lights get turned on is no god to me, rather He’s the one who created light in the first place. So no, I don’t believe in that god of the gaps either. When I say there will always be impossible things I mean it as you say, that to each generation there will be impossible things of the time. Like, no, it’s not impossible for a cell phone to exist, but it was for Job in that time and place. These things won’t always be impossible, but for the moment they illustrate God’s point. They aren’t the extent of His power, because infinity has no limits. Sometimes to get the wow! feeling it’s good to make things relatable. Like for instance the mathematical concept of infinity. As high and lofty as the concept is, sometimes it’s even more mind blowing to think of somewhat relatable values that are too high for us to comprehend; like a googolplex, or Graham’s number. Though no where near infinity, they still seem grander because we can elate to it, as Job could relate to those examples, sort of.

        About the killing, well, if you look at like that you might as well say God killed everyone on earth who has ever died. And beyond that every animal that ever went extinct or star that went out. But as long as we’re assuming He’s real, He’s the one who gave life in the first place, so wouldn’t He have the right to take it away? And as long as we’re assuming the bible is true then this life really is only a shadow of what true life is, the life God is inviting us to so long as we have faith in Him.

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      2. I appreciate your comments, and let me start with your second paragraph regarding killing. Personally I don’t say God kills everyone since I don’t believe in a God, but I see your point that how believers may look at it like this. However, there’s no way anyone can say God killing an 80 year old person of old age is the same as killing a 2 year old with bone cancer. The 80 year old man lived a long life and reached an age where he/she knows the difference between good and bad. A 2 year old doesn’t know that difference and hasn’t lived a long life. There’s no reason whatsoever for God to kill a 2 year old. The comparison is a horrible one that people through out because they don’t want to critically think the issue through.

        As for the gaps, I see your point and appreciate your further explanation on your beliefs regarding a God of the gaps. Personally I don’t find gaps in knowledge to be mind blowing. I find our answers to those gaps, when they arrive, to be mind blowing. To me, it’s amazing what humans can accomplish, without a God, when they work together.

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      3. I appreciate your comments too, I’ve really enjoyed this exchange. But now I feel things are wrapping up and this will probably be my last reply. We can debate about what’s right and wrong, who should live and who should die, who ought not to suffer having done nothing wrong, just like Job did. The end of the book concludes with Job recognizing how little he actually knew. And though you say presently we are humble in our knowledge yet humanity will always surprise us with its ingenuity; I really respect that. I’m amazed by what we can do too, but taking pride in this is scary to me as it blinds us to our own failures. To be honest, I really doubt we’d be able to survive another thousand years. In case this is the end I’ll say it now, thank you for the good discussion.

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      4. Yes, a good conversation.

        “To be honest, I really doubt we’d be able to survive another thousand years. In case this is the end I’ll say it now, thank you for the good discussion.”

        I agree, although probably for different reasons. The inability of 1/2 the nation and an entire political party in the U.S. to recognize the truth of climate change is likely to doom us. It’s just a matter of how drastic that doom is.

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